>> well, the oil is being produced through technology in advances in technology, and the companies that have that technology on board, those skills, they're going to get more out than the last guy. the people that we brought in are very smart oil and gas people, a family that's been in the business for years. they didn't have to deal in stock so they're making a bet on their own. >> how about utica? you've been able to amass a pretty good position. when we were in utica, we were with aubrey mcclendon, previous ceo of chesapeake, and he stumbled on what he thought would be an oily area and turned out to be natural gas. i know you've got some wells coming due right now. how does it look, more oil and gas? >> it looks great. >> it does. >> it looks more oil than gas but there is some gas there. so we'll have to build the infrastructure to get all of the product offsite. >> when i read through the financials and conference calls, you want to do it your way, which i know builds up great value. but you'll also be outspending your current cash flow, so you'll have to make a series of disposals